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WTF Merlin?

But that is entirely their fault for agreeing to this situation, I can't fathom how you can think merlin bare no responsibility here. Armed coke representatives didn't just turn up and install dispensers against Merlin's will (lovely image, the cartels moving into a namesake product).
Where exactly did I say they have no responsibility? I said they may not have been aware... At the very least, it's their supplier, so once they're aware of an issue, of course they have a responsibility to act, but they can't act UNTIL they're aware... Common sense surely, you can't act on something until you're aware?

Put it this way, I'm fairly sure Joe Bloggs from CCEPP didn't say to Merlin, "how about we supply the soft drinks, you pay us x amount per year, and we'll keep everything topped up, flowing and well maintained? Oh, but BTW, we also won't be binning any product if it isn't shifting fast enough, we'll just pass it off to your customers. Just sign on the dotted line..." Although I could be wrong. 🫣😂

Anyway, let me try and find out if that is even still the case before we debate it, might not be the case anymore, and they may well be entirely responsible themselves.
 
Where exactly did I say they have no responsibility? I said they may not have been aware... At the very least, it's their supplier, so once they're aware of an issue, of course they have a responsibility to act, but they can't act UNTIL they're aware... Common sense surely, you can't act on something until you're aware?
I can see the rock-and-a-hard-place of the perspective you're taking - truly I can.

But I also think that if you're subcontracting some element of your operations to a third party, then you still do have the ultimate responsibility over the quality of the service they're providing.

In my line of work - where I/we regularly subcontract packages of work out to external entities - if it was shown that one of those third parties had fallen short of their agreements that it would be "me" ("me" in the loose sense of the word in that it would be "the company I work for") who would be ultimately be responsible to the customer/client for that shortcoming. The customer/client has recourse against "me" as the one providing the service to them. If I subsequently take action against the subcontractor, that's not the customer/client's concern.

It might not be Merlin's fault (from a root cause perspective), but it is Merlin's problem in the first instance. It's surely Merlin's responsibility to check and 'audit' (for lack of a better word) their subcontractors to deliver on their agreements?

Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the point you're making...? More than happy to be educated in this - I'm applying an engineering consultant's view to a service industry problem - maybe the approach is different?
 
I can see the rock-and-a-hard-place of the perspective you're taking - truly I can.

But I also think that if you're subcontracting some element of your operations to a third party, then you still do have the ultimate responsibility over the quality of the service they're providing.

In my line of work - where I/we regularly subcontract packages of work out to external entities - if it was shown that one of those third parties had fallen short of their agreements that it would be "me" ("me" in the loose sense of the word in that it would be "the company I work for") who would be ultimately be responsible to the customer/client for that shortcoming. The customer/client has recourse against "me" as the one providing the service to them. If I subsequently take action against the subcontractor, that's not the customer/client's concern.

It might not be Merlin's fault (from a root cause perspective), but it is Merlin's problem in the first instance. It's surely Merlin's responsibility to check and 'audit' (for lack of a better word) their subcontractors to deliver on their agreements?

Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the point you're making...? More than happy to be educated in this - I'm applying an engineering consultant's view to a service industry problem - maybe the approach is different?
Nope, you understand, and you're spot on. I never, at any point suggested that Merlin had nothing to answer to, I simply said they may not have been aware. (And, at the risk of repeating myself, my information there may even be out of date.)

However, in this context, I do think that the hospitality and retail sector is a little different to your sector. As an extreme example, probably too far at the other end of the scale from your contractor example, but here goes anyway... If a shop is selling faulty products, you don't place all of the blame on the shopping center / mall? Likewise if a restaurant is making people ill, you don't blame the food court.

You do expect the food court / mall to take action and evict / intervene if their tenants are bringing their own business / space into disrepute though. Once they are aware.

That's what Merlin parks have become these days, malls and food courts... They rent out the space, other companies provide the service and product... Food, drink, midway games, even entertainment nowadays, all subbed out.

I don't mean to excuse them, because it's still ultimately their choice to operate like this, and customers won't necessarily know any different. To many, bad food at Alton Towers is purely the fault of Alton Towers, not Aramark... A prize from a stall at Thorpe Park that falls apart is the fault of Thorpe Park, not HBL Leisure... Customers don't know or care about the ins and outs of any contractual arrangements, and nor should they... So ultimately, it falls at Merlin's feet... But what I was saying, and I still am, is that Merlin 'may not' have been aware, and the real test is how they deal with things like this when they are made aware...

...Anyway... Maybe the OOD stock was just being trialled ;)😂😂😂

Also, as another aside, Schweppes only uses best before dates. It's perfectly legal and safe to sell products past their best before dates. Best before dates are a guarantee of quality up until that date, not an indication of food safety at all. In retail the retailer must inform the customer of the date before they make the decision to buy, then the customer assumes responsibility for the quality of the product. In catering / hospitality, that isn't the case, the chef / management / staff make the decision on quality, and assume that responsibility. It's still very very bad practice though, it's underhand, and most customers would neither understand, or appreciate it, if they were to find this to be the case. I only mention it as many people are not aware of the difference between best before and use by.


Again, not defending them, I'd never use food past it's best before in my own food business, purely because I know how people would feel about it... But I'm just playing devils advocate and trying to ensure this kind of information is known.
 
Fair enough, apologies I misunderstood what you were saying.
No worries at all. :) You're 100% right to question somebody you see as blindly defending a giant corporation, especially one that rarely seems to have it's customer's best interests at heart. Just as it's right to call out anybody who goes the other way and is obsessively over-critical of everything a company does, like they have some ulterior motive.

I will report back after I've seen the rep, as it will be interesting to find out if it is still the case, or if it was just for the initial launch and bedding in period. I'm intrigued now... And if it turns out CCEPP are still responsible for the machines entirely, I'm gonna show him those screenshots and give him stick... 😂😂😂
 
I don't mean to excuse them, because it's still ultimately their choice to operate like this, and customers won't necessarily know any different. To many, bad food at Alton Towers is purely the fault of Alton Towers, not Aramark... A prize from a stall at Thorpe Park that falls apart is the fault of Thorpe Park, not HBL Leisure... Customers don't know or care about the ins and outs of any contractual arrangements, and nor should they... So ultimately, it falls at Merlin's feet... But what I was saying, and I still am, is that Merlin 'may not' have been aware, and the real test is how they deal with things like this when they are made aware...
All good - this is understood. Not having a go at you specifically. :P

The bit in bold is the crux of the matter, as far as I'm concerned. :)
 
Not news related but wanted to rant. Visited Thorpe Park today for the first time in 2 years. Not great.

Park was fairly busy however queue times would have been manageable if Fastrack wasn't so grossly oversold. On Hyperia they were letting on mostly fastrack users whilst the main queue sat at over 70 minutes.

Encounted some nice staff, but also rude staff, lazy staff... Overall just not a great experience. After this, and the day I had at Alton Towers a couple of years ago we've decided we'll no longer be visiting any Merlin parks going forward. They just aren't fun days out to us anymore, it just feels like an exercise in money-extraction with no consideration for guest satisfaction.

Also after riding Hyperia again after two years... It's fine? First drop and outer bank are fab but it all just had the John Burton soullessness about it. And the fact they've overlooked having a front row queue/rejecting all row requests is just daft.

Final weird nag, the speakers in the park. Why does every single queue line have to have speakers littered everywhere blasting music at such a volume that you can't even think? It's bad enough that the queues are not shaded, but when you pair it with the constant noise it's all just a bit unbearable tbh.

Anyway yeah nobody asked for this but I just needed to moan. Will just have to shell out for trips to the parks in Orlando, Efteling etc as I'm realising as I'm getting older I'd take a pleasant day over one or two good coasters.
 
After this, and the day I had at Alton Towers a couple of years ago we've decided we'll no longer be visiting any Merlin parks going forward. They just aren't fun days out to us anymore, it just feels like an exercise in money-extraction with no consideration for guest satisfaction.

I know you shouldn’t have to only go on certain days to enjoy theme parks, but I’d highly recommend visiting Thorpe (and the other merlin parks for that matter) on off peak days.

It’s a completely different experience. You don't have to deal with anywhere near the amount of Fasttrack and walk on the rides for the most part.
 
I know you shouldn’t have to only go on certain days to enjoy theme parks, but I’d highly recommend visiting Thorpe (and the other merlin parks for that matter) on off peak days.

It’s a completely different experience. You don't have to deal with anywhere near the amount of Fasttrack and walk on the rides for the most part.
I get you, but as I said, the crowd levels themselves weren't an issue at all. I expect theme parks to be busy, I've visited Europa Park on a public holiday and it was heaving but I still had a great time. The issue (in my opinion) is the business model itself.
 
I get you, but as I said, the crowd levels themselves weren't an issue at all. I expect theme parks to be busy, I've visited Europa Park on a public holiday and it was heaving but I still had a great time. The issue (in my opinion) is the business model itself.

Completely agree. We're just finishing off our first ever trip to Europa Park/Rulantica and all i can think is "how do i go back to a Merlin park after this"? The Ryanair of the theme park industry.
 
God knows why we should buy Merlin Merch anymore. Why buy if Merlin can't even be bothered to put more than 10 minutes in? I could literally ask AI to vomit a better design at me in 5 minutes 😂
 
Yeah it’s the pure laziness of it all that gets me. What happened to taking pride in your work?

Designing theme park merchandise is a dream job for some yet we have got people in the position where crap like this can make the shelves.

Just slapping some AI generated nonsense onto a white T shirt and giving it a £25 price tag is embarrassing.
 
Yeah it’s the pure laziness of it all that gets me. What happened to taking pride in your work?

Designing theme park merchandise is a dream job for some yet we have got people in the position where crap like this can make the shelves.

Just slapping some AI generated nonsense onto a white T shirt and giving it a £25 price tag is embarrassing.

A lot of these chain companies will work with marketing companies who will do a package for them. Promotional graphics, a collection of different kinds of merch (i.e. shirts, hoodies, mugs, posters etc) and they are ultimately responsible for the content that is contained within these packages with someone from the park chain signing it off. This is also normally someone in marketing who may not be particularly creatively geared.

Enthusiasts/theme park fans have made theme park merch for parks before, and have often done it for a really low fee/for free. It's actually incredibly rare for parks to have in house teams who are there specifically to design merchandise, even though it would surely be a much more cost effective way of producing stuff people actually want to buy.

This is a particular part of the industry that is incredibly exploitative and looked over, which is probably why so many fans produce their own stuff these days - because the content and quality of the items is ultimately even better than the official stuff.


The items have since been removed from the shop and it seems as though a lot of the smaller theme park merch shops have jumped on the opportunity to show off their own stuff - and honestly - good for them. It's also good to see the park respond to feedback this quickly. If we keep calling out AI slop where it's present, actions will eventually be taken about it.
 
Many years ago when I designed merch for Merlin the files they supplied me with were so poor it took ages to rework as usable for badges, magnets, keyrings etc. I wouldn't blame a similar company now trying to use short-cuts, but I would at the very least check how many seats are on a train (and then expect a Merlin rep to correct me if I was wrong - it took us weeks to get things signed off)
 
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