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Six Flags Over Georgia Goliath Incident (12-Oct-2026)

The photos show a partially closed restraint. If open, the arms are beyond vertical in appearance. It's a plausible explanaiton which I find most likely.

It's summarised nicely in the article: a rider could stop the bar before it was lowered securely over the thighs, leading to a situation in which the ratchet was technically locked — and remained locked — but there was sufficient clearance for the rider’s hips and thighs to move past it during negative-g portions of the ride.

Again, that's not possible. The seats and clamshells are designed so that it's literally impossible for someone to slip out if the restraint is locked. There's no room to slip out the sides and legs don't bend in the way necessary to slide up and out. You may get a *lot* of airtime in your seat but you can't fly out of the train: your legs will stop you.

And regarding the photos, they absolutely don't show a locked restraint. There's a large gap between the seat and restraint in the photos which is not present when the restraint is locked at its highest position.
 
This is a bizarre and tragic accident by any measure, and I’m still quite perplexed as to what to perceive.

We of course should rule nothing out at this stage, and I’m very reluctant to come to any hard conclusions before we hear more. I’m not keen on concluding anything based purely on “the angle of the restraint in the ORP” (various things can make photos mislead on matters like this) or eyewitness accounts (which, while undeniably well-intended, are not always the most reliable, particularly when concerning the highly traumatic and fast-moving sight of a man being ejected from a roller coaster). I will leave the empirical conclusions to the inevitable criminal investigation.

With that said, I do think an interesting thing to note is that with of all the incidents of this nature I can think of that have happened in recent memory, the cause has been some mitigating factor not related to the actual mechanics themselves failing. The Orlando drop tower death was found to be a result of the park operator tampering with sensors to allow riders larger than manufacturer recommended limits to ride, the New Texas Giant death was a larger rider who was by the sounds of things too large to properly fit in the restraint, the Ride of Steel death was a man with no legs who shouldn’t really have been allowed to ride (if I recall), the Drenched death was Oakwood not properly checking that restraints had been sufficiently closed, non-fatal accidents like the Smiler crash were also caused by human error… I’m struggling to think of the last time that a restraint genuinely catastrophically failed on a roller coaster, or any ride for that matter. I particularly think this given that we’re talking about B&M, a manufacturer who have never had an accident of this nature on one of their rides and are widely known for an exemplary safety record. B&M Hyper Coasters have been operating with these restraints for 27 years; if there is some major intrinsic issue with the design, isn’t it unusual that it hasn’t already reared its head by now?

In terms of where we go from here, I think that will vary depending on what the cause is eventually found to be. It may simply be changes in procedure, or changes in the types of body dimensions allowed to ride B&M Hypers, or it may be something more sweeping. I’m wondering whether we may see B&M Hypers widely fitted with seatbelts. Or worse, see them reverting to the RMC-style procedure of having to do up the seatbelt, have that checked by the op and then have the op lower the bar for you afterwards. That would kill the throughput of a model known for its throughput, but I wonder if people may not trust the sole lap bar on its own. I’m always sceptical that seatbelts in the way they are implemented on B&M Hypers (looser ones across your lap like those on a woodie, if I’m not wrong, rather than ones that actually hook onto the restraint like those on B&M’s OTSRs) would do an awful lot in the event of a genuine restraint failure, but sometimes, I think safety theatre (perception of safety) is almost as important as actual safety in gaining public trust.
 
The aspect I keep dwelling on is the fact that it happened at the final turn. It’s so tragic of course that the restraint failure occurred at all, but especially so at that point in the ride.
 
It's not that strange for people to assume things in this case I think. Ejections not attributable to rider size or leg prosthetics, or ride operators never even closing the restraints in the first place are exceptionally rare. I'm not aware of any happening in the United States apart from Big Thunder Mountain's derailment which caused the entire train to stall. Before that there was Wild Wonder where again the entire car malfunctioned, not just one restraint.

Add the rather explicit ride photo, and B&M's flawless safety record, and surely "not knowing why people have to speculate without any evidence" is a bit I dunno, naive? Maybe even intolerant? Considering our hobby is strapping ourself to 300 foot high metal machines to get an adrenaline kick, a little bit of denial when something comes along that threatens to change the whole way we have looked at coaster restraint safety for at least 30 years is expected?

Having said that, Six Flags having somehow managed to defeat all the redundancies by cheaping out on maintenance, and it actually just being a full-on mechanical failure sounds shockingly plausible too, I have to say.
 
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The clamshell is a great design if the shell is in contact with (or able to be in contact with - assuming a suitable body shape) the passenger's upper leg. If the bars cannot contact the passenger's upper leg, safety cannot be guaranteed. B&M explicitly state contact must be with upper leg and deny someone riding if contact cannot be made. This is photo is from an operating manual on a similar ride.

I fully expect this to be operator error with the train being dispatched with the clamshell blocked from being in contact with the upper leg for whatever reason
 
I have read the thread. There is no definite confirmation it was fully open. We only have people making that conclusion after viewing an unclear photo
By fully open you mean fully pushed forward and in station position?? Are you suggesting that the restraint needs to be in station position to be fully open? Because if you are, you're flat out wrong, there is a large 'free travel' before the ratchet and pawls engage and lock the restraint... Fully open would be any position beyond locked, any position in which the pawls have not engaged the ratchet... The bar does not have to be beyond vertical for that, and the image absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, shows a restraint in that condition.

I think this is where a lot of confusion is happening... Fully open means not clicked and locked, not even one click... It doesn't mean fully pushed forward and in normal resting position, as you referenced with your beyond vertical comment. Remember, the ride is still operating and still subject to forces that will affect it's position when the ORP was taken.
 
By fully open you mean fully pushed forward and in station position?? Are you suggesting that the restraint needs to be in station position to be fully open? Because if you are, you're flat out wrong, there is a large 'free travel' before the ratchet and pawls engage and lock the restraint... Fully open would be any position beyond locked, any position in which the pawls have not engaged the ratchet... The bar does not have to be beyond vertical for that, and the image absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, shows a restraint in that condition.

I think this is where a lot of confusion is happening... Fully open means not clicked and locked, not even one click... It doesn't mean fully pushed forward and in normal resting position, as you referenced with your beyond vertical comment. Remember, the ride is still operating and still subject to forces that will affect it's position when the ORP was taken.
I do think it’s difficult to fully conclude from an ORP, to be fair. Angles can be quite deceptive, and the way something looks from the perspective of the ORP camera might be quite misleading as to how it actually looks in real life.
 
I do think it’s difficult to fully conclude from an ORP, to be fair. Angles can be quite deceptive, and the way something looks from the perspective of the ORP camera might be quite misleading as to how it actually looks in real life.
It's not difficult at all mate, a clamshell seat should NOT have a gap like that between the seat and the restraint, the entire seat and restraint system completely relies on there not being a gap, or not being one of any significance...

Watch Ryan's video that @spicy posted (thanks Spicy)

Spicy... that is an interesting theory on the weld crack, would explain how it could have failed mechanically despite the redundancies, would lead to the restraint opening without the actual locking mechanism failing. :( But I'm trying not to speculate too much, I also have a couple of possible theories I haven't seen mentioned yet, but I really don't want to go down the route of speculating too much...
 
It's a tragedy for the man who was killed and his family and friends. I'm not sure what comes out of this but given the Magic Mountain PR nightmare, I do wonder if the Six Flags chain as we know it is long for this world...
 
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The clamshell is a great design if the shell is in contact with (or able to be in contact with - assuming a suitable body shape) the passenger's upper leg. If the bars cannot contact the passenger's upper leg, safety cannot be guaranteed. B&M explicitly state contact must be with upper leg and deny someone riding if contact cannot be made. This is photo is from an operating manual on a similar ride.

I fully expect this to be operator error with the train being dispatched with the clamshell blocked from being in contact with the upper leg for whatever reason

Have you ever ridden a B&M hyper? With the lap bar at its minimum locked position (third click)? Or studied the seats/restraints?

The height of the seat back and position/angle of the clamshell in relation to the front of the seat makes it physically impossible to fly up and out, and there's no gap on the side to fall out sideways. You can fly back and up into the seat, but not all the way out.
 
"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." - Sherlock Holmes

We have yet to rule out all the possibilities. Could the lap bar have been secured to a safe level when it left the station? Maybe. Was it fully open during the accident? Maybe. Could it have been a mechanical failure? Maybe. Human error? Maybe.

One thing is certain: we won't find the answers by looking at an on-ride photo or debating the odds. Only a full investigation will reveal the truth.
 
Does anyone have a photo of a b&m hyper or giga clamshell on the 3rd click, for reference?

The Ryan the ride mechanic video is great, but it's very much from the perspective of engineering and not operations. Ride mechanics - in my experience anyway - rarely know **** all about the ins and outs of daily ops.

The way people behave and the procedures parks put in place to try and cope with them are not being considered in his video perhaps out of respect.

But I'm not sure I like that this leads us to the only possible explanation being the bar literally physically bending due to a crack. Like I get where he's coming from that this is the most rational explanation if we ignore the fact humans exist, but... Humans exist.

Edit: also whilst I'm here, I believe a seatbelt would have probably saved Hassan. There is no good argument against seatbelts. Their primary safety function is forcing staff to spend longer with each seat and thus be more likely to notice issues - limb or body shape difference, lose articles, seated incorrectly. Seatbelts do not remove the possibility of these things still occuring, they reduce. That's how all safety systems work. Mitigation. But in this freak incident, where the rider somehow stayed in his seat until the lateral force at the end of the ride... A seatbelt would have helped.

I've seen a lot of misinformation and dismissal of seatbelts from enthusiasts over the past few days and I'm sorry. They're annoying. But they work in multiple ways.

People being thrown from rides is extremely rare, but has it EVER happened on a ride with a seatbelt?
 
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Does anyone have a photo of a b&m hyper or giga clamshell on the 3rd click, for reference?

The Ryan the ride mechanic video is great, but it's very much from the perspective of engineering and not operations. Ride mechanics - in my experience anyway - rarely know **** all about the ins and outs of daily ops.

The way people behave and the procedures parks put in place to try and cope with them are not being considered in his video perhaps out of respect.

But I'm not sure I like that this leads us to the only possible explanation being the bar literally physically bending due to a crack. Like I get where he's coming from that this is the most rational explanation if we ignore the fact humans exist, but... Humans exist.

Edit: also whilst I'm here, I believe a seatbelt would have probably saved Hassan. There is no good argument against seatbelts. Their primary safety function is forcing staff to spend longer with each seat and thus be more likely to notice issues - limb or body shape difference, lose articles, seated incorrectly. Seatbelts do not remove the possibility of these things still occuring, they reduce. That's how all safety systems work. Mitigation. But in this freak incident, where the rider somehow stayed in his seat until the lateral force at the end of the ride... A seatbelt would have helped.

I've seen a lot of misinformation and dismissal of seatbelts from enthusiasts over the past few days and I'm sorry. They're annoying. But they work in multiple ways.

People being thrown from rides is extremely rare, but has it EVER happened on a ride with a seatbelt?
I think people are not discussing the human influenced possibilities out of respect, because at this stage those theories would just be speculation, and that's not fair when you're talking about potentially blaming humans with no evidence whatsoever...

But I will say this, a lot of those potential human influenced causes have huge question marks over them when you ask why nothing happened until the ORP section of the ride. If, for whatever reason, the restraint, it's position and / or the rider were not safe to ride in the first place, then the question of why nothing happened until the ORP section will need to be answered.
 
I do think it’s difficult to fully conclude from an ORP, to be fair. Angles can be quite deceptive, and the way something looks from the perspective of the ORP camera might be quite misleading as to how it actually looks in real life.
It's not just the ORP. Every eyewitness report mentions that the restraint was unlocked and returned to the station in an upright position. Add to that, that the ORP section is pushing down the restraint because the trains is pulling about 3G at that point, to me it is undeniable that the lap bar is in an unlocked position. Now the question is just why. And for that the investigators will have to find a cause.
The clamshell is a great design if the shell is in contact with (or able to be in contact with - assuming a suitable body shape) the passenger's upper leg. If the bars cannot contact the passenger's upper leg, safety cannot be guaranteed. B&M explicitly state contact must be with upper leg and deny someone riding if contact cannot be made.
That's plain stupid. If the restraint wasn't properly locked, the train wouldn't have been dispatched. There are literally no signs pointing towards operator error or "he shouldn't have been allowed to ride". We had that on the last page and it's just so tiring and frustrating to have to repeat that again and again because a small but vocal minority is still questioning the facts.
 
People being thrown from rides is extremely rare, but has it EVER happened on a ride with a seatbelt?
It's never happened on a B&M and that's the manufacturer. I don't have an issue with seatbelts, it's unnecessarily adding them after a freak accident. Roller coasters are 99.999% safe, nothing is 100%.

A seatbelt can't save you from a flying shoe or phone knocking you unconscious. Until there's an official report, I don't see the point of jumping on the "seatbelts for all" bandwagon.
 
It's not just the ORP. Every eyewitness report mentions that the restraint was unlocked and returned to the station in an upright position. Add to that, that the ORP section is pushing down the restraint because the trains is pulling about 3G at that point, to me it is undeniable that the lap bar is in an unlocked position. Now the question is just why. And for that the investigators will have to find a cause.

That's plain stupid. If the restraint wasn't properly locked, the train wouldn't have been dispatched. There are literally no signs pointing towards operator error or "he shouldn't have been allowed to ride". We had that on the last page and it's just so tiring and frustrating to have to repeat that again and again because a small but vocal minority is still questioning the facts.
I think you and @SeanN90 are closer than it looks. Under normal operating conditions, the restraint has to be locked before the train can dispatch, and a locked clamshell holds a rider very securely by design.

The hard part is bridging the gap between leaving the station and a rider being ejected at the end of the ride with the lap bar apparently well open. Without more information, we end up filling that gap with circular reasoning or assumptions that give us partial answers, and each one still requires dismissing something that hasn’t been ruled out, whether that’s human error, mechanical failure, or something else.

That gap is what the state investigation exists to close. Until then, I’d encourage leaving it open rather than filling it in.
 
Have you ever ridden a B&M hyper? With the lap bar at its minimum locked position (third click)? Or studied the seats/restraints?

The height of the seat back and position/angle of the clamshell in relation to the front of the seat makes it physically impossible to fly up and out, and there's no gap on the side to fall out sideways. You can fly back and up into the seat, but not all the way out.
I'm pretty sure this is even the case at the literal minimum locked postition (ie. single click). 3 clicks is for redundancy so safety is not reliant on just a single set of locking pawls on the ratchet.
 
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